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* ALTERNATE SOURCE *
This is the same collection as the following seed:
http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=255506
This version is from an alternate input tape of the "full version".
This version also has additional bits before and after some tracks (outlined below).
This version is a straight non-EQ'ed transfer from the alternate tape.
Drawback is that this version is missing the last ?10sec of 'Stand'.
Imperfect that it is, I figured I ought to get it out into the community.
A sound sample will be provided to help folks with their downloading decision.
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TORRENT TITLE
R.E.M. - 1988-xx-xx 'Green' Demos (alternate source) (96-24 or 44-16)
John Keane's Studio, Atlanta, GA
Bearsville Studios, Woodstock, NY
ARTIST NAME
R.E.M.
BOOTLEG TITLE
N/A
VENUE, CITY, COUNTRY, DATE
'Green' Demos 1988-xx-xx (alternate source) (96-24 or 44-16)
TRACK LISTING
DISC 1 (49:46)
01 Pop Hit 89 (Pop Song 89).................(3:07)
02 Orange Crush.............................(3:59)
03 Get Up (instrumental)....................(2:46)
04 I Remember California....................(5:01)
05 Title (instrumental).....................(4:02)
06 (The Eleventh Untitled Song)
(instrumental).......................(2:34) the unlisted last song on the LP
07 Hairshirt (instrumental).................(2:34)
08 The Last R.E.M. Song (instrumental)......(3:25) *SBE-fix made this 3:24 on 44-16, I didn't rename it
09 Stand (slower) (CUT).....................(2:58) *SBE-fix made this 2:59 on 44-16, I didn't rename it
10 You Are The Everything (early version with
bass, additional backing vocals).....(3:45)
11 The Wrong Child (instrumental)...........(2:37)
12 Great Big (instrumental).................(5:37)
13 Untitled instrumental #1.................(4:32)
14 Get Up (Vocal)...........................(2:44)
LINE UP
Bill Berry - drums
Peter Buck - guitar
Mike Mills - bass
Michael Stipe - vocals
+ probably others too
FLAC FINGERPRINTS or MD5 checksum for the musical content only (*)
(96-24)
01 Pop Hit 89 (Pop Song 89)-307.flac:6b2603804d2ed3d2ff0769b8f4d4f87b
02 Orange Crush-359.flac:13deee856010c811ac3d816a565f1545
03 Get Up (instrumental)-246.flac:2053d83278091d0a1d6b77aafedeab5d
04 I Remember California-501.flac:e45aa833d981cf30acec3ce87a4816aa
05 Title (instrumental)-402.flac:97f7676097e7bff0a1804cc020c852c8
06 (The Eleventh Untitled Song) (Instrumental)-234.flac:17c3fed3efdcb43f8be49c704cf2b316
07 Hairshirt (instrumental)-234.flac:18307a622606e1a82432cc56df4c8d38
08 The Last R.E.M. Song (instrumental)-325.flac:2db3e7bf14876d96187af32fd184bebf
09 Stand (slower) (CUT)-258.flac:ed0b3bc16a3cb57a39345e45c1842fba
10 You Are The Everything (early version with bass, additional backing vocals)-345.flac:b8219bf7ca0b0ddbbbfa118be23e5745
11 The Wrong Child (instrumental)-237.flac:a05b4922fa49097fe50a15366c24b62f
12 Great Big (instrumental)-537.flac:bc6f26c04b67a95e7cffbf2f13ebc094
13 Untitled instrumental no1-432.flac:d3689931459c592651f00c7a5c9625df
14 Get Up (Vocal)-244.flac:1c39fd2298664a7fc7103bbf6c685a77
(44-16)
01 Pop Hit 89 (Pop Song 89)-307.flac:63639e7681b6cb6e13e7c64a6bbbf642
02 Orange Crush-359.flac:603108115b12ab580254c88cf8e53466
03 Get Up (instrumental)-246.flac:b7214a091751f252e00564d2db4c7754
04 I Remember California-501.flac:4e8b82673f7a4abea445b0998939a423
05 Title (instrumental)-402.flac:368d73e2207aad578dd9a1c2c943b394
06 (The Eleventh Untitled Song) (Instrumental)-234.flac:a3d6636f00d8fe497c4a37681ba09119
07 Hairshirt (instrumental)-234.flac:095ba4ccd8b81ea37a46b9b90404bd80
08 The Last R.E.M. Song (instrumental)-325.flac:965df77ecb45df6ec8af0c1ce9864f04
09 Stand (slower) (CUT)-258.flac:1f50ac0a5c585274a36582a825a0f9a6
10 You Are The Everything (early version with bass, additional backing vocals)-345.flac:9752323cb358408760f8155e3340c9cd
11 The Wrong Child (instrumental)-237.flac:30323dfcdd666d1f11ac62af736b9636
12 Great Big (instrumental)-537.flac:dbcd6d1d6736070f48d57d14b9fa6d23
13 Untitled instrumental no1-432.flac:e7bac4dd1e5db15ae8d33471af581598
14 Get Up (Vocal)-244.flac:c62545309d3719f4389817a09d314d7a
ARTWORK
N/A
SOURCE / LINEAGE
Stereo STUDIO low-gen Maxell XL II 60
Trade tape > Computer WAV > Cool Edit 2000 > TLH v2.4.1 > FLAC 8 > DIME > you
Big thanks to the original trader (dunno for sure, see Notes section) who hooked me up with a copy.
I originally mastered this 2011-10-11.
I used my WM D6C to do a speed-adjusted dub to computer, trying to match the 2009 tape as a control.
The dub to computer was at 100L71R levels (the overall levels were still low), at 96-32.
Then I used Cool Edit 2000 to edit out the 2 tracks 'See No Evil' and 'Pop Song 89 (Acoustic)', & Normalize the whole to 99%.
Also edited out the "extra version of 'Great Big (instrumental)'" from between tracks 13 & 14 here.
After that, all I did was cut it up into tracks, while leaving intact all between-track data.
I usually put the mark 'right when the music piece starts', but here I put them when it looked like a tape source changed.
There's usually a hiss-level step-up/down, or a visible and audible mini-'pop' where the edit occurred.
I left it this way, whole, so you could reassemble things right back to my tape's recording (minus the removed songs).
Maybe there's even more detail hidden in there; if someone wants to remaster this, feel free to have at it.
I'll share both a 44-16 version of this, and a 96-24 version if folks wanna hear it (speak up if you do):
* for the 96-24 version
I had Cool Edit do a Convert Sample Type to 96-24 with Dither / saved as 24-bit packed int (type 1 - 24-bit)
that's it, can't SBE-fix 96-24
* for the 44-16 version
I had Cool Edit do a Convert Sample Type to 44-16 with Dither
then let TLH do a SBE-fix (the two tape sides each done separately) & it's the fixed files in the share
NOTES
Ok so you likely saw and enjoyed the fine 2009 seed for this.
I'll retain the great info from that seed & those that led to it, so you can see the history related to the collection.
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http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=190319 is the unmastered original seed...
So here we are again.
I posted this "session" initially on STG back a thousand years ago, I was the first person to put this material on the internets.
Here's my initial textfile language:
"This boot has an interesting story behind it. I used to go every month, religiously, to a record show at the Holiday Inn in Hillside, IL back in the mid-90s. Usually it would be the same pile of crap at every dealer, with the odd surprise find every now and then. This was one of them.
An elderly lady was minding her son's table, whereby he had about a half-dozen cassettes in a box amongst the Zeppelin bootlegs he was selling. I was quite surprised to see a cassette labeled "Green demos" amongst the crap he had, and for $2.00, snapped it up. I normally didn't buy bootleg tapes but from the tracklisting I could tell this was something special. I never did meet the guy whose table it was, so I was never able to confirm lineage or the source.
This tape not only contained all the previously-known Green demos floating about on various bootlegs, but it ALSO had 3 additional songs that I do not believe EVER appeared on any boots. In fact I don't think that prior to me trading this tape, these three tracks were known amongst collectors to exist as "Green demos".
The three songs are:
09 - Stand --- no wah-wah guitar solo, different backing tracks
11 - The Wrong Child (instrumental) --- much longer than Green version
14 - Get Up (Vocal) --- partially written lyric, with music boxes but different backing tracks
I confirmed the above with Todd Ploharski, owner of Athens, GA's Low Yo Yo record store and one of the scene's biggest REM collectors. If it existed in the REM trader/collector universe, Todd knew about it (if he didn't actually have it himself). He'd never seen these three songs out there anywhere.
I suspect this originated with either a band member late in the Bearsville sessions or a Bearsville studio staff person because of the development stages of the songs (i.e. the music boxes on "Get Up" - the idea came in a dream Bill Berry had late in the day while the band were recording at Bearsville, and the previously-leaked instrumental demo does not have the music box interlude). If the newly-discovered songs were simply tacked on the end of a tape of previously-leaked demos that would be one thing - but since they were interspersed amongst the others I think this is a different source altogether than the one used to seed all the boots containing Green demos ("Sleeping Songs", "Archival Footage", etc...). Furthermore the 4 unreleased instrumental tracks are FAR better quality here than any of the pre-existing bootleg releases.
If any of you were part of the REM Trade Ring in 1999 or so and got these there, I was the source for that. This is from the original CD-R I made for that."
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Now, that CD-R variant (and the 2004-era STG seed) was mucked with in my younger years. Recklessly, foolishly ruined, some would say.
So up stepped a kind soul named Kipco who greatly moved matters forward, posting a previously-unknown second source of this material (also on STG intially, and later on DIME).
Kipco notes:
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"NOW.....
The fact is, I know the "elderly lady and her son" who were at the Hillside show that day, and the copy that was sold originated with ME! I traded him a copy not long after I got it, which was like 1990 or so. I got it from a guy I knew from Wisconsin who used to come up with amazing REM stuff.
I mentioned this tape in the original STG comments, and was beseeched by requests to seed it, but didn't know how to do it at the time.
This is at least two generations up from the previously seeded versions of this. It should be an upgrade to everyone who snagged the one before. The track order is also slightly different. My original tape had one track repeated twice (track 12 instrumental). My tape also had "See No Evil" tacked on the end, but I don't know if it was part of the original demos or not.
Enjoy! Keep your windows open, too!
cass (VERY low gen)/hard drive (sound forge)>flac level 8"
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So, a thousand years ago I downloaded Kipco's tape - being an upgrade, hell yeah! And then I sat on it. For years and years. Always meaning to fix it up. And here we finally are.
This is near release-quality - just check the sample below.
What's different? I didn't include Kipco's "See No Evil" because it's been officially released on a Fan Club single. And I've also taken the opportunity to retitle one of the instrumental tracks per Marcus Grey's "It Crawled From The South" as "The Last R.E.M. Song" - Grey refers to a Green demo track that the band deemed far too typical REM-like and thusly binned it, after naming it "The Last R.E.M. Song" - the one listed here as such certainly is the most "classic" REM-sounding track of the bunch, by far.
LINEAGE:
Kipco's FLACs -> Mastering/EQ tools @ 32bit -> Secret sauce -> Dither to 16bit -> FLAC level 8 -> You
enjoy!
drew
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So I also have a 60min tape of this which largely matches the Kipco seed in basic content:
* same then-rare 3 tracks # 09 / 11 / 14
* same track order as seen on the 2009 seed
* also had 2 versions of 'Great Big (Instrumental)', one appearing at first a bit longer at the end, but really the same on close inspection
* also had 'See No Evil' on the end < which I've omitted too >
But this tape also has half of 'Pop Song 89 (Acoustic)' tacked on the very end, cuts off when tape runs out.
Both SeeNo and Pop sound to me like they were recordings off of vinyl.
I'm from Wisconsin & may well have gotten this from the same source that Kipco got his from.
A guy at an area record store here was a big R.E.M. fan, and I'm betting I got this from him.
Is this higher or lower gen, I dunno.
Positive differences with this tape:
* little bits more of the tracks (count-ins and fade-outs longer in places, which I'll detail later)
Negative difference:
* Stand (last track on tape side A) cuts off a couple seconds before the end
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Some audible differences on this tape:
01 Pop Hit 89 (Pop Song 89)
* has a teeny bit more of the fade-out at the end
02 Orange Crush
* you can hear more clearly the decay of the guitar fade-out & Michael at the end say ? "bless you"
03 Get Up (instrumental)
* you can hear more of the fade-out incl a ? guitar string pull-off squeak
04 I Remember California
* there's perhaps more of the fade-out
05 Title (instrumental)
* extra bass note here well after the main fade-out
06 (The Eleventh Untitled Song) (instrumental)
* an extra guitar lick before the click count-in
07 Hairshirt (instrumental)
* a spoken "one... two.... three... four...." count-in not present on the 2009 share
08 The Last R.E.M. Song (instrumental)
* sounds about the same
09 Stand (slower) (CUT)
* extra click in the count-in
* and of course, sadly, the end is missing
10 You Are The Everything (early version with bass, additional backing vocals)
* some voices mumble something unintelligible during the fade-out near the very end
11 The Wrong Child (instrumental)
* a spoken "one... two.... three... four...." count-in not present on the 2009 share
12 Great Big (instrumental)
* sounds about the same
13 Untitled instrumental #1
* has a hard tape-cut during the fade-out before the music completed the fade
14 Get Up (Vocal)
* a short extra "wah" vocal note after the 1-click and before the song starts
Admittedly small, subtle stuff.
Dunno if any of this was on the Kipco tape & got removed during the remaster.
I wasn't around here back when that got shared.
I've picked a couple of these parts for samples, where you can still hear the dif even on a crappy mp3.
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I never even put this in my trade list, knowing I had the tape but unsure where the heck it was for years.
I remember seeing the previous 2009 seeding and I thought to myself "I have that already".
With the current R.E.M. flood, I figured now's the time to hunt for the tape, lucked out & I did find it.
And after hearing it, I'm glad I found it.
Crank it up and ENJOY! it as I have, and share it so others can hear it.
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Filenames have numbers on the end that are the TIMES (ex. - "...-359" is 3min59sec long).
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The usual schmack applies here:
Please don't post this anywhere but DIME.
Please retain this original info file data with any reseedings.
Please don't transfer to MP3 or other lossy formats.
Please only trade this with others, don't sell it.
Please support the artists involved by purchasing their official product in massive quantities.