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Jeff BECK, Tim BOGERT & Carmine APPICE (BBA)
- October 08, 1972 -
Jahrhunderthalle Höchst, Frankfurt am Main, West Germany
** AUD 2nd gen. analog, MWM 0214 **
>> UPGRADE ! NOT the Heribert B. reel-version, from
a different taper & gear - UNCIRCULATED ? << w/ samples
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This upoad here is different to
Torrent #288195 Beck, Bogert & Appice- Frankfurt, Germany 1972/ October/ 8- aud reel master > DAT > CD, VG sound
http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=288195
That one was reseeded by fellow DIMEr 'glasnostrd19' on Sunday, January 31, 2010,
is still running on the tracker, and was actually 273 times snatched - BIG THANKS, IAN !
It came originally from Heribert B.'s master reel, and was upped on DIME
for the first time in 2006, and deleted after 248 days on January 15, 2007
ACCORDING TO our dear 'Professor goody': "...it's THIS one that's running quite SLOW/FLAT."
After comparing our own 2nd. gen. analog tape copy from Heribert's recording (that's the best you had
been able to get, because most of them tapers, back then, transferred the small (and extremely expensive) master-reels at home to "normal-sized" & much cheaper reels, and re-used the small ones for their next
concert taping...) with 'glasnostrd19' upload, we can confirm that it's originally close to 76 minutes
in total, and on Ian's one above it has a "runtime: 78:20 (minutes/seconds)", that's about 3% TOO SLOW...
INSTEAD OF TRANSFERRING "OUR" COPY FROM HERIBERT AGAIN, WE'LL OFFER YOU
THIS ONE HERE - FROM A DIFFERENT TAPER AND RECORDED WITH DIFFERENT GEAR:
(Checking the audience yells, crowd noise & handclaps etc, both tapers
stood obviously quite near to each other...but not direct side by side)
MAIN DIFFERENCES:
THIS ONE was recorded with a tape-recorder on Compact-Cassettes - Heribert used a portable R2R-machine
THIS ONE misses track #1. "crowd 2:18" from Heribert's master (if you need it, get it THERE...hahaha...)
THIS ONE has a tape flip (with resulting song cut) after ~45 minutes (C-90) - Heribert has THIS SONG uncutted
THIS ONE has an UNCUTTED "Let Me Love You" (~10 mins long) - Heribert (~9:26) has a "flip cut in the middle"
THIS ONE runs with "nearly" the CORRECT TAPE SPEED (and we did a lot of comparisons...believe us)
THIS ONE is nearly untraded - at least we've never seen another one as Heribert's recording...
and, to cut it short, a very subjective impression after two weekends full of drawing comparisons:
THIS ONE SOUNDS (IN OUR OPINION) A BIT BETTER...clearer instruments...more understandable announcements, etc...
SO "THIS ONE" COULD BE A MUST-HAVE FOR YOU - CHECK THE SAMPLES & GET IT ;-)
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BIG THANKS for the overwhelming reaction for our other BBA upload:
Torrent #292100
Jeff BECK, Tim BOGERT & Carmine APPICE (BBA)
- June 09, 1973 -
Messezentrum Halle A, Nuremberg, West Germany
** from audience MASTER, MWM 0153 **
>> ! RAW and EDITED files ! - THE REAL ONE, COMPLETE -
IN THIS QUALITY UNCIRCULATED << w/ samples!
http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=292100
Close to 1.000 downloads, and nearly 100 comments - SIMPLY FANTASTIC ! THANK YOU !!
And, if you haven't seen it so far, there is also the SUPPORT ACT on DIME:
Torrent #293345
TUCKY BUZZARD
- June 09, 1973 -
Messezentrum Halle A, Nuremberg, West Germany
** from audience MASTER, MWM 0154 **
>> ! RAW and EDITED files ! - supporting BECK BOGERT APPICE -
produced by BILL WYMAN - IN THIS QUALITY UNCIRCULATED << w/ samples!
BUT BE WARNED: A DAMN LOT TO READ IN BOTH TORRENTS...hahaha !
Was asked if there are MORE untraded BBA concerts with a similar
quality in our vaults, and found THIS ONE here, from the same
taper and in the very same "shoebox" where this recently uploaded
JOE COCKER featuring the CHRIS STAINTON BAND and the SANCTIFIED SISTERS
- July 08, 1972 - Blosenberg Festival Ground, Wuerzburg, West Germany
came from...read more about the taper, and how we came in contact, there...
If you check the samples, you'll recognize some (slight) tape hiss.
As we did NOT use any noise reduction or hiss abater, you are able to judge on your
own if it's more sounding like a first or second generation tape. To avoid unnecessary
troubles we decided to call this a "2nd generation" tape in the torrent name...knowing
that a lot of "late 60ies/early 70ies"-tapers dubbed their efforts on "safety tapes"
or with reel-to-reel machines. To sum it up, it's pretty close to the master... ;-)
Our dear buddy in DIME, real-O-mind (G2), usually writes:
It is what it is - "It ain't perfect, but it ain't bad"
FOR THE FIRST TIME OUT OF OUR ARCHIVE,
IN THIS QUALITY AND SHEER VAST SIZE
COMPLETELY UNTRADED - PLEASE ENJOY!
And don't forget:
CRANK UP YOUR STEREO & START ROCKING !
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Jeff BECK, Tim BOGERT & Carmine APPICE (the artists)
Beck Bogert & Appice -OR- BBA (the shortcut)
Jahrhunderthalle Hoechst (the venue, part of the city)
Frankfurt am Main (the city, the river running through)
West Germany (the country)
October 08, 1972 (the date)
Frankfurt am Main, commonly known simply as Frankfurt, is the largest city in the German state
of Hesse and the fifth-largest city in Germany, with a 2009 population of 672,000. The urban
area had an estimated population of 2,30 millions in 2010. The city is at the centre of the
larger Frankfurt/Rhine-Main Metropolitan Region which has a population of 5,600,000 and is
Germany's second largest metropolitan area.
In English, this city's name translates to "Frankfurt on the Main". The city is located on an ancient
ford on the river Main, the German word for which is "Furt". A part of early Franconia, the inhabitants
were the early Franks - thus the city's name reveals its legacy as being the "ford of the Franks".
Situated on the Main River, Frankfurt is the financial and transportation centre of Germany and the
largest financial centre in continental Europe. It is seat of the European Central Bank, the German
Federal Bank, the Frankfurt Stock Exchange and the Frankfurt Trade Fair, as well as several large
commercial banks. Frankfurt Airport is one of the world's busiest international airports, Frankfurt
Central Station is one of the largest terminal stations in Europe, and the Frankfurter Kreuz (Autobahn
interchange) is the most heavily used interchange in continental Europe. Frankfurt is the only German
city listed as one of ten Alpha world cities. Frankfurt lies in the former American Occupation
Zone of Germany, and it was formerly the headquarters city of the U.S. Army in Germany.
http://www.frankfurt.de/
"Jahrhunderthalle" AKA "Jahrhunderthalle Hoechst"
In the middle of the 1950s architect Friedrich Wilhelm Kraemer was asked to plan a hall on
occasion of the hundred-year-old existence of the "Farbwerke Hoechst AG". In 1963 it was
opened, official name of the hall WAS "Jahrhunderthalle Hoechst" (after the enterprise),
and is SO called quite often EVEN today (after the part of town, even if it's not correct).
http://www.jahrhunderthalle.de/
http://www.jahrhunderthalle.de/haus/kuppelsaal.galerie.aspx
as far as we know NONE of this torrent was used commercially...
the complete tape we got, back then:
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01. soundcheck -> intro 1:18.53
02. Superstition <Stevie Wonder> 5:44.28
03. Livin' Alone <Carmine Appice/Jeff Beck/Tim Bogert/J. Bogert> 4:51.70
04. -> Tonight I'll Be Staying Here With You <Bob Dylan> 4:43.50
05. -> People Get Ready <Curtis Mayfield> 2:45.42
06. Lady <Carmine Appice/Duane Hitchings/Jeff Beck/Tim Bogert/J. Bogert> 6:51.44
07. Morning Dew <Tim Rose> & 13:00.37
08. Plynth (water Down The Drain) <Nicky Hopkins/Rod Stewart/Ron Wood>
--> Shotgun <Autry DeWalt Mixon, Jr.> § 13:21.08
09. Let Me Love You <Rod Stewart/Jeff Beck/Ron Wood> 9:56.50
10. Jeff's Boogie <Jeff Beck> 4:50.19
11. -> Untitled Instrumental (short blues) % -> crowd noise 2:35.01
encore:
12. Why Should I Care <Raymond Louis Kennedy> -> final crowd noise 4:37.72
total running time: 74:37.24 minutes
the notes:
& - including a long & spectacular Carmine Appice drum solo - fades out & in
(NOT completely...) from 6:05.50 to 6:13.25 into the song during this drum solo
(sound effect or taper hiding mike ?) - so absolutely NO music was lost...
§ -> song fades completely out @ 4:53.38 after the introduction "Jeff Beck on guitar"
and fades in @ 5:02.50 into the song by reasons of the necessary tape flip, causing
a cut with about 10-15 seconds missing - mainly crowd noise & handclaps. I left it
the same way i got it on tape - just removed the two on-off switch noises...
% -> maybe somebody can confirm this description i found with another BBA concert:
This track contains an element present on many Jeff Beck recordings which is never
noted. Beck often used the riff from a tune called "Untitled Instrumental" by
Buddy Guy as an introductory gambit or as a joining link between songs. Most likely
Beck took this from an album called "Folk Festival of the Blues" released on the
Chess subsidiary Argo label in the mid 60s (and later reissued as "Blues From Big
Bill's Copacabana"). This album featured Muddy Waters, Howlin' Wolf, Willie Dixon,
Sonny Boy Williamson, and Otis Spann playing alongside of, and backed by, Buddy Guy.
Buddy uses the riff throughout the show in much the same fashion that Jeff does here,
and as he often did most frequently during the Jeff Beck Group Mach I years. Buddy's
studio version (recorded 8/14/63) wasn't released until the mid 80s on a 2LP set
entitled "Chess Blues Rarities: Rare and Unissued Recordings".
To find this recording presently seek out "The Complete Chess Studio Recordings
of Buddy Guy", a 2CD set released in 1992.
the musicians:
Jeff Beck - guitar (and a few vocals)
Tim Bogert - bass and vocals
Carmine Appice - drums, percussion and additional vocals
lineage:
audience to analog tape
the recording:
unknown microphone > unknown portable Cassette-Recorder (without any NoiseReduction) > unknown cassette type
the Würzburg parking lot trade (September 08, 1984...):
Cassette Masters > Leo's guesswork: a possible safety copy (?) >
Unknown Cassette Deck Transfer (NO HIGH SPEED DUBBING, NO DOLBY) > 2nd gen. Cassette [at worst...hahaha!]
(TDK SA 90, 1-7/8ips Super Avilyn, High Bias (CrO2) Type II, 135 meter tape)
the transfer:
My traded Cassette > Nakamichi Cassette Deck 1 (manual playback head azimuth aligned ! NO NoiseReduction used >
> Analog Cable (coax) > Behringer SRC-2496 Ultramatch Pro
(Ultra-high-resolution 24-Bit/96 kHz A/D & D/A and Sample Rate Converter & Dropouts-/Jitter Remover) >
> converted to 16 bit, SP 44,1 kHz > > Oehlbach Hyper Profi Opto Set (optical fibre, TOS-Link) >
> Terratec Aureon 7.1 PCI - Dolby Digital Live Soundcard with C-Media CMI8768 Soundprocessor Chip, digital S/P-DIF in >
> Motherboard with AMD Multicore Processor, Serial ATA Interface > CD Wave (recording) >
> Harddisc Western Digital with Thermaltake HD Cooler (EVER had a HardDisc burnout ??) >
> lonetaper's secret box of miracles # > CD Wave (tracking) > Traders Little Helper (SB aligned/level 6) > FLAC > DIME
# RAW FILES - so NO additional NoiseReduction or heavy EQ'ing was used here, and none of those
compressors, Sonic Maximizers or other psychoacoustic processors - just (a touch) balanced the
stereo channels, the volume discrepancy (strong increase after song 07.) and finally normalized.
THERE IS SOME TAPE HISS AUDIBLE (but it's not too distracting...PLEASE CHECK THE SAMPLES) !
this upload here comes directly from the "Men With Microphones" archives.
if you want to know more about, check the old uploads...lotta stuff to read !
And if there's some interest, maybe there is MORE TO COME...
it just depends on YOUR demeanor, and lotta useful comments ;-)
Beck Boget & Appice in autumn 1972:
After the tour some new material was quickly written back in England. It was common in those
days for Jeff and the boys to play each other ideas over transatlantic telephone since both
parties would opt for their homes after a tour.
The Jeff Beck Group next landed in Europe and played a more thunderous and boogie oriented style.
Jeff filled in with more rhythm work, the volume was turned up and Max Middleton went on to other
projects (Mick Taylor, Jack Bruce, Pete Brown, etc.). The group still had not changed it's name yet
to properly reflect the powerful nature of the trio. Tim Bogert explains, "We were cautious about
calling ourselves BBA because we wanted to see what would happen with the West, Bruce and Laing thing."
The trio toured all over Europe with some collectors' tape highlights being Amsterdam, FRANKFURT (this
one here...) and London. When "Tonight I'll Be Staying Here With You" segued into "People Get Ready",
it featured the Long Island white soul harmonies of Tim and Carmine and gave a breather to the ever
increasing thump of Carmine's double bass drums and Tim's powerful bass lines.
It was at this point that the mischevious friendly antics between Jeff and Timmy started to wane.
"From then on, I was just a hired bass player", Tim matter of factly puts it. Carmine offered this,
"Jeff came to me and asked if Timmy ever just plays the bottom groove?" I said to Jeff, "What you
hear is what you get. Tim is such a great bass player that after a few months into a new band, he
just starts to go wild and play those amazing solos." Jeff Beck, after the breakup of BBA reflected
in the press, "Timmy played what I should have been playing."
Since the U.S. had not really seen the band in it's present form and they did have some new material,
the band did a fall '72 October U.S. tour mostly of the east coast including collector taped Boston, MA,
Rochester, NY and Passaic, NJ. Audience reaction was mind boggling. Here was Jeff finally revving up
his Stratocaster and firing off run after run against the thunder of the Bogert/Appice rhythm section.
Tim says, "We were kicking butt. About one out of every three shows was a killer. The money was great."
At this time of course Stevie Wonder had made his own "Superstition" a mega hit. Jeff wistfully told
the audience at the Music Hall in Boston on October 23 as he was introducing the song, "....and it
ain't on Truth." Two other highlights of that tour come to mind. First, Jeff's most amazing renditions
of "Jeff's Boogie" to date and secondly, the newly initiated theatrics at the end of the show where
Beck would feign death on the stage floor after a pie in the face only to rise and smash one in Carmine's
face after asking the audience for approval. This episode is available on trasferred home Super 8mm to
VHS silent video to collectors (one for the family album, Jeff?). Carmine recounts, "I used to be in
bands in the early days in New York that used to do things like that. Before those gigs in America,
we used to do other things...Tim and I would fan down Jeff on stage with towels during his solo in
'Jeff's Boogie' as if to say, boy those solos are so hot, we've got to cool you down.
Once in London we even showed up in ripped tuxedos."
more to read here: http://www.ainian.com/jb3.html
PLEASE support the artists & and buy all their available stuff...
Check out their websites on the net - THERE'S A LOT TO FIND !
http://www.jeffbeck.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Beck
http://www.timbogert.com/
http://www.myspace.com/timbogertbass
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Bogert
http://www.carmineappice.com/00_intro.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carmine_Appice
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beck,_Bogert_%26_Appice
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Torrent #301765 5 CHINESE BROTHERS - the best kept American secret...
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Torrent #303462 SIR DOUGLAS QUINTET - the greatest and most influential Tex-Mex group ever
Torrent #304658 RICHARD DOBSON & The State Of The Heart Band - goes BLUEGRASS with Susie Monick
Torrent #305240 TISH HINOJOSA & BAND - a Tejano treasure, definitely THE bilingual "QUEEN OF TEXAS"
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Torrent #306116 JO-EL SONNIER & The Shut Outs - the "King of the Bayou" w/ incredible All-Star band
Torrent #306440 RICHARD DOBSON & MARK 'SERGIO' WEBB - March 16, 2010 - elder statesman of Texas Alt.Country
Torrent #307284 TOWNES VAN ZANDT - November 12, 1996 - 16 Bit/44.1 KHz FULLY EDITED & PATCHED FILES !
Torrent #308830 RICHARD & LINDA THOMPSON - June 21, 1981 - Folkmusic-Festival, Vienna, Austria
Torrent #309339 SNAKEFINGER a.k.a. Philip Charles Lithman & The Vestal Virgins - November 18, 1983
Torrent #311146 NEW ORDER - April 02, 1984 - Volkshaus, Zuerich, Switzerland ** analog DRS3-FM MASTER
Torrent #313782 Leslie WEST, Jack BRUCE & Corky LAING - April 04, 1973 - Stadthalle, Vienna, Austria
Torrent #314290 the RESIDENTS feat. Penn Jillette - May 25, 1983 - Secession, Vienna, Austria
Torrent #319597 JOE COCKER featuring the CHRIS STAINTON BAND and the SANCTIFIED
SISTERS - July 08, 1972 - Blosenberg Festival Ground, Wuerzburg, West Germany
And please check also all the other uploads...BUT as Leo said: BEWARE - LOTS OF TEXT TO READ !
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MY DAD USUALLY SAYS: A GOOD BREEDING SEEMS HARD TO FIND IN CYBERWORLD, NOWADAYS !
please be friendly & polite to me, and i'll be the same to you...twice-pledged !
BUT IF YOU'LL TAKE ME FOR A RIDE, I'LL COME TO YOUR HOME AND THE FUN IS OVER...DEFINITELY !
AND I'M ALWAYS ACCOMPANIED BY MY FRIENDS & BROTHERS - FRANCONIA'S TOUGHEST BIKERGANG
"DARK BECKSTEIN SKULLS" - A SUBDIVISION OF THE AWESOMELY "CROSSED BONES" FROM SOLINGEN.
R.I.P. DENNIS LEE HOPPER - ride on, dear brother, you've always been our hero...
Dime allows alternative versions, I don't own the music, so I can't stop you, but
the correct thing to do amongst tapers/editors is TO ASK FIRST...(C. by scdegraaf)
I SIMPLY CAN'T TAKE A JOKE - CONCERNING BAD MANNERS AND UNGRATEFULNESS ! pythonmonty.
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Open traded, carefully stored for ~26 years, and mastered by my dad Leo (all thanks go to him...),
transferred, & finally first time uploaded by pythonmonty on DIME, August 30, 2010. This is "MWM 00214"
please consign this info-sheet with the shared music - thanks !